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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-551</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have just changed from Xubuntu to Gentoo on my Toshiba Tecra A9 laptop.
So far I am very impressed with the improvement in performance that Gentoo has provided, and I have installed every package that I will need without a problem, with the exception of Sage Maths and TiEmu only for a lack of time.
I can confidently predict I will remain with Gentoo for some time yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just changed from Xubuntu to Gentoo on my Toshiba Tecra A9 laptop.<br />
So far I am very impressed with the improvement in performance that Gentoo has provided, and I have installed every package that I will need without a problem, with the exception of Sage Maths and TiEmu only for a lack of time.<br />
I can confidently predict I will remain with Gentoo for some time yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Staines</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Staines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with JustMe. I find Gentoo basically wonderful. I&#039;ve learnt a lot about computers in general and Linux in particular, from using it. Sure, it drives me mad occasionally, but I&#039;ve always been able to fix it. I&#039;ve put a few bugs into Bugzilla, all of which have been resolved, some with a little bit of my help, and most completely by others. Portage does need to be fixed a bit, but it&#039;s still better than almost anything else out there, and there is a complete replacement available - Paludis, and sometime I&#039;ll search it out, and  make it work]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with JustMe. I find Gentoo basically wonderful. I&#8217;ve learnt a lot about computers in general and Linux in particular, from using it. Sure, it drives me mad occasionally, but I&#8217;ve always been able to fix it. I&#8217;ve put a few bugs into Bugzilla, all of which have been resolved, some with a little bit of my help, and most completely by others. Portage does need to be fixed a bit, but it&#8217;s still better than almost anything else out there, and there is a complete replacement available &#8211; Paludis, and sometime I&#8217;ll search it out, and  make it work</p>
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		<title>By: SkizoidMan</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-549</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a happy gentoo user - both at home and at work; there, I have several xeon servers running testing software.
On the home PC, I can play all my classic games, Portal, DX..

No fancy CFLAGS. I just love the flexibility *and* stability you can get.. and I cannot think of using anything else.
I don&#039;t need anything else ;)

SkizoidMan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a happy gentoo user &#8211; both at home and at work; there, I have several xeon servers running testing software.<br />
On the home PC, I can play all my classic games, Portal, DX..</p>
<p>No fancy CFLAGS. I just love the flexibility *and* stability you can get.. and I cannot think of using anything else.<br />
I don&#8217;t need anything else <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>SkizoidMan</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what Simon Toth is talking about.

I have been an active member of Gentoo for 3 years, started using it 3 years before that, and have seen many apps approved after asking via bugs.gentoo.  This is all without being able to write a line of code, the closest I can get to code is bash scripts, and they aren&#039;t pretty.

The forums have been an absolute boon for answers along with the excellent documentation.  I have also been able to help others just by saying what I have learnt along the way.

I have also noticed the devs are more willing to help those who are prepared to try and help themselves more, i.e. check other sources of information, check older posts or the bugs lists for answers and tell them what you have tried o there is no going over that which has already been tried.

I guess I just couldn&#039;t use another distro other than Gentoo as the way Gentoo works gets under your skin, then won&#039;t go away.  It&#039;s as close as you get to Linux from Scratch as you can without actually building system/apps one by one.

The distro may die (Though I don&#039;t think it will) but the Gentoo way will live forever, that epitomizes the ideals of FOSS perfectly IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what Simon Toth is talking about.</p>
<p>I have been an active member of Gentoo for 3 years, started using it 3 years before that, and have seen many apps approved after asking via bugs.gentoo.  This is all without being able to write a line of code, the closest I can get to code is bash scripts, and they aren&#8217;t pretty.</p>
<p>The forums have been an absolute boon for answers along with the excellent documentation.  I have also been able to help others just by saying what I have learnt along the way.</p>
<p>I have also noticed the devs are more willing to help those who are prepared to try and help themselves more, i.e. check other sources of information, check older posts or the bugs lists for answers and tell them what you have tried o there is no going over that which has already been tried.</p>
<p>I guess I just couldn&#8217;t use another distro other than Gentoo as the way Gentoo works gets under your skin, then won&#8217;t go away.  It&#8217;s as close as you get to Linux from Scratch as you can without actually building system/apps one by one.</p>
<p>The distro may die (Though I don&#8217;t think it will) but the Gentoo way will live forever, that epitomizes the ideals of FOSS perfectly IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Gokdeniz Karadag</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gokdeniz Karadag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

I will absolutely continue using gentoo (and filing the occational bug report)

This article is on digg, please digg;
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gentoo_is_Alive_and_Kicking]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I will absolutely continue using gentoo (and filing the occational bug report)</p>
<p>This article is on digg, please digg;<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gentoo_is_Alive_and_Kicking" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gentoo_is_Alive_and_Kicking</a></p>
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		<title>By: Spooner</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spooner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Users are handled as annoying pests.

There is an incredible amount of bugs open in the bugzilla. Everytime when i request something, I’m told to use an overlay, or just write it myself (wakeup, users can’t do developers work, most overlays are just completely unusable). If I try to request something, I’m just told that everyone is doing it in his free time and obviously noone cares for the quality of Gentoo.&quot;

quoted for truth. Gentoo might not be dying, but it has this malignant sense of hatred hanging over some of the user-facing developers.
I think more so, the reason why these bad apples can&#039;t be shown the door is because of this &quot;gentoo is dying&quot; mantra; that we all have to put up developers who consistently hurt the community because nobody else will replace them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Users are handled as annoying pests.</p>
<p>There is an incredible amount of bugs open in the bugzilla. Everytime when i request something, I’m told to use an overlay, or just write it myself (wakeup, users can’t do developers work, most overlays are just completely unusable). If I try to request something, I’m just told that everyone is doing it in his free time and obviously noone cares for the quality of Gentoo.&#8221;</p>
<p>quoted for truth. Gentoo might not be dying, but it has this malignant sense of hatred hanging over some of the user-facing developers.<br />
I think more so, the reason why these bad apples can&#8217;t be shown the door is because of this &#8220;gentoo is dying&#8221; mantra; that we all have to put up developers who consistently hurt the community because nobody else will replace them.</p>
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		<title>By: KDE 4.1.2 tagged, gentoo land frozen &#124; Thomas Capricelli</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KDE 4.1.2 tagged, gentoo land frozen &#124; Thomas Capricelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I don&#8217;t share the optimism of people who think that gentoo is growing. On July 29th, KDE 4.1, the first almost usable KDE version since the 3.5 branch, has been [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don&#8217;t share the optimism of people who think that gentoo is growing. On July 29th, KDE 4.1, the first almost usable KDE version since the 3.5 branch, has been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Šimon Tóth</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Šimon Tóth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gentoo is not dying, it is mostly dead. Honestly, I really cant understand what the hell are you talking about? There is a huge amount of important software, that does not have ebuild. There is a huge amount that has incredibly outdated ebuilds. Not even speaking about stable, thats even more outdated than most enterprise distributions.

Bugs are completely ignored (the only bug that i managed to get fixed was a serious dependency bug, that had 2 line fix, was lying in the bugzilla for more than one year, and which i got a ban for at the forum - it took me approximately 48 hours of my time to get that bug fixed - great efficiency for a 30sec bug).

Users are handled as annoying pests.

There is an incredible amount of bugs open in the bugzilla. Everytime when i request something, I&#039;m told to use an overlay, or just write it myself (wakeup, users can&#039;t do developers work, most overlays are just completely unusable). If I try to request something, I&#039;m just told that everyone is doing it in his free time and obviously noone cares for the quality of Gentoo.

Gentoo was great, because the user community and the background concepts were great. Gentoo wiki is still the best source of informations. But, thats not enough. Everyone i know, is moving from Gentoo. I&#039;m currently switching to OpenSuSe, completely inferior, but due to the decaying quality of Gentoo, it still ends up better.

I don&#039;t think that the project Gentoo is dead, it&#039;s just not Gentoo. It&#039;s not a distribution with bleeding edge software and fresh concepts anymore. It has completely changed. It&#039;s not that neat distribution for advanced users anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentoo is not dying, it is mostly dead. Honestly, I really cant understand what the hell are you talking about? There is a huge amount of important software, that does not have ebuild. There is a huge amount that has incredibly outdated ebuilds. Not even speaking about stable, thats even more outdated than most enterprise distributions.</p>
<p>Bugs are completely ignored (the only bug that i managed to get fixed was a serious dependency bug, that had 2 line fix, was lying in the bugzilla for more than one year, and which i got a ban for at the forum &#8211; it took me approximately 48 hours of my time to get that bug fixed &#8211; great efficiency for a 30sec bug).</p>
<p>Users are handled as annoying pests.</p>
<p>There is an incredible amount of bugs open in the bugzilla. Everytime when i request something, I&#8217;m told to use an overlay, or just write it myself (wakeup, users can&#8217;t do developers work, most overlays are just completely unusable). If I try to request something, I&#8217;m just told that everyone is doing it in his free time and obviously noone cares for the quality of Gentoo.</p>
<p>Gentoo was great, because the user community and the background concepts were great. Gentoo wiki is still the best source of informations. But, thats not enough. Everyone i know, is moving from Gentoo. I&#8217;m currently switching to OpenSuSe, completely inferior, but due to the decaying quality of Gentoo, it still ends up better.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the project Gentoo is dead, it&#8217;s just not Gentoo. It&#8217;s not a distribution with bleeding edge software and fresh concepts anymore. It has completely changed. It&#8217;s not that neat distribution for advanced users anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: zak</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for this post. I am so glad to hear a response from the Gentoo team to the DW news item. I would have given up on trying Gentoo at all if it weren&#039;t for this post. Which is one of the problems with items such as on DW; they discourage new users from trying the distro, thus holding back potential community members from the distros that need them most.

This post provides much needed assurance that Gentoo is not dying, just fighting (unfortunately, in more ways than one!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post. I am so glad to hear a response from the Gentoo team to the DW news item. I would have given up on trying Gentoo at all if it weren&#8217;t for this post. Which is one of the problems with items such as on DW; they discourage new users from trying the distro, thus holding back potential community members from the distros that need them most.</p>
<p>This post provides much needed assurance that Gentoo is not dying, just fighting (unfortunately, in more ways than one!).</p>
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		<title>By: accela</title>
		<link>http://wonkabar.org/2008/09/23/gentoos-growth/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[accela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well same period last year and the previous one i remember plenty of flames, resigns and a really really bad atmosphere so that time such articles where more or less true imo.
buuut the last few months i feel like things are getting better in gentoo and i have a good feeling so i think that this article is for the current time just wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well same period last year and the previous one i remember plenty of flames, resigns and a really really bad atmosphere so that time such articles where more or less true imo.<br />
buuut the last few months i feel like things are getting better in gentoo and i have a good feeling so i think that this article is for the current time just wrong.</p>
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